The Universality Of Spiritual Logic: Avoid Messing Up Your Life Unnecessarily With Sanal Bhanu Rajan
How can you avoid messing up your life unnecessarily? This episode’s guest has the answer: spiritual logic. Join Tom Dardick and Sanal Bhanu Rajan as they discuss the concept of "Spiritual Logic" and the universality of its approach. Through their insightful dialogue, they illuminate the critical role of congruence in fostering both personal and professional growth. Delving into state-based learning, they unpack its profound implications for enhancing recall and learning effectiveness, shedding light on practical strategies for harnessing this approach. The discussion also ventures into the transformative effects of cultivating gratitude and maintaining a positive mindset. Furthermore, Tom and Sanal delve into the art of asking the right questions and the importance of mental flexibility and adaptability, drawing on the wisdom of past experiences to inform present decisions and actions. Additionally, the conversation touches upon the evolutionary underpinnings of tribal psychology and its relevance in today's global context.
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The Universality Of Spiritual Logic: Avoid Messing Up Your Life Unnecessarily With Sanal Bhanu Rajan
It's my great pleasure to welcome Sanal Bhanu Rajan to the show. Sanal is originally from India. We're talking to him from Thailand. Sanal is a Spiritual Thought Leader. His organization is called Spiritualogic, and that is also his approach. He's developed a map, not unlike myself, who's developed the map of the eye of power. He's developed a map to help people with their transformation to help them elevate spiritually and abundantly. What we talk about here with Get the Eye of Power, find our CER power, we are definitely in alignment. We'll go through his map a little bit and talk about Sanal’s insights as it relates to the journey that allows us to manifest more of our authentic selves in the world. Help me welcome Sanal.
Spiritual Logic
My first question for you out of the gate is how did you come to your place of having a Spiritualogic as your brand and the name of your moniker?
I was searching for a name for the particular brand of teaching or the brand of ideas that I am bringing to this particular context. It was very non-dogmatic in its way. It doesn't require or demand the listener to take in a crazy new belief or something in order to make things work. Usually, spirituality relates a little bit on, at least the background of it, of many of these systems that we are working up with. It has a lot of dogmatic beliefs involved with it that you need to adopt to make sense of what you're doing and why you're doing it and so forth.
Even if the practice themselves might not have so much but the fundamental framework on which it's built up on. Look into it, there's a lot of documents that you need to go along with. The point was to create something that doesn't demand a big leap of faith from the listener to reap good results with the system and the universality of it because we are all coming from different pathways and different religions for different setups of growing up. I wanted to bring about something where we can all unite together and it doesn't take so much to do that.
I love that thought. That's wonderful. The thing that I think that we share is you've developed a map. You looked through different types of maps and came up with your own unique thing. I did a similar thing. The show is based on the Eye of Power model, which is simply a map of what are the things that free us or imprison us as it relates to manifesting our agency.
I think we're talking the same language. We might have a slightly different topology. I'd like to compare notes and see what you're seeing that I'm not or vice versa or whatever. Maybe together we can give a, an idea that might speak to some specific people in a way that alone we wouldn't. That's where I'd like to go. Let's talk about your map and what that is and how you came about it and what it's showing and what it does for people.
The Map
For me, the map is you see the good or how much utility the map has and how much is serving you in life by your own ability to handle situations that are showing up in your life and how much ease and grace and harmoniously you are able to do that when it comes to it. If you have a good enriched map that's serving you in life, then that means this map is going to allow you to do that more of the time. Mostly, your capacity to create good results in the situations that you find yourself in will be high. The map informs you enough to have the choices that you can take at any given moment. The map is there to inform you but not to bind you by it. No matter how good the map is, you still acknowledge the fact that it’s a map and the map is not the territory.
The map is simply there to orient us in our journey.
It’s all about orientation.
A lot of times, when I'm talking to people, if I'm helping them in a professional capacity, I never frame it as though do this and it will end up this way because it's ultimately up to them. What I say is what I can do with the tools I bring to the table is I can perhaps save you some steps, speed up your path, maybe avoid this particular obstacle, but not if it's something that you need to face. If it's something that you haven't internalized yet, you're going to face it one way or another. All we can do is come alongside people and help them move forward, but it's always their own motive force. Would you agree with that?
Yeah. You can always look into and see if there is congruence in their actions or they are wasting a lot of energy not accomplishing so much in the process. If there is enough congruence, then they're all going to be able to accomplish a lot without having to spend a lot of energy. That's the beauty of congruence. It's like the difference between a laser and a light bulb. Once you have congruence, you get a lot of things done with a little amount of energy.
Your energy's flowing in a direction. It's not going way off.
In my mind, or in my model of it, congruence comes from having clarity on three aspects. Only it’s having real clarity on the outcome that you want. What is it that you want from that situation? What is the outcome you would want from that situation? Having clarity on that creates congruence. The second thing is having an idea of how you would be as a person when that outcome is accomplished. That's another thing. What are all the differences that I would be feeling as a person once I have got everything that I'm looking for from it, to connect to the state-based learning scenario?
Just let me ask a question about that particular thing. Are you saying that it is tied to our sense of identity of who we are? Is that what you're pointing to?
Exactly. Three things, outcome, identity, and the third element. The third element would be value. It's connecting to that. What is important for me in being that person moving forward in life? What does that mean to me? That's the value.
Are these three aspects of what you'd call congruence?
Yeah, having a pat on these three things.
It looks to me like you're asking the questions, what, who and why.
Yeah. The why gives the value, the what gives the outcome and the who gives the identity. We are future-facing that so that there's a congruence aligned with it. Also, you are connecting that to value, like you being that person who has accomplished that outcome. What does that mean to you moving forward in life? Connect value. Having elements allows you to efficiently use the energy that you have. That's the point. The point is to like get the most amount of things done with the least amount of energy having to be used for it.
It also has the effect of clarity as well because people can understand who you are, what you're doing, and why you're doing it. Personal branding.
That's what lines it up, the whole thing.
Is congruence the first part of the map?
It depends. For example, if when we take a map, the map doesn't tell us where it begins and where it ends. It's all up to the one who is looking at the map at the beginning.
If you can see the Eye of Power model's circular and layers, where do you start? It's going to be a different thing for different people and it's going to be different for different aspects of your life. It will be a different spot too. I understand exactly what you're saying there.
Congruence is one part of the map. That doesn't mean that's everything in the map or the maps revolving around that. That's just something in the map that has its own value and there's going to be interdependency based on it, but it doesn't mean that's the beginning all and end all.
We talk about congruence. To me, that is an aspirational aspect of our lives because it's a difficult thing to be 100% like a laser. No matter how long we work on it, how long we live, my guess is we can still become more focused, and more congruent than we are currently in our state. Once we get to a certain spot, it doesn't stay there. Things happen. Things change. We learn something new and we're out of balance again.
The Conducive State
The problem is it's not given so much emphasis the fact of state-based learning when it comes to learning. The thing is, whatever state in which you are learning something is the most conducive state to recall the things that you learn. If you learn something in a very stressful scenario, maybe now you're in a very relaxed way, and somehow, it's not so easy to recall the learning.
“Whatever state in which you are learning something is the most conducive state to recall the things that you learned.”
That can work against us in the sense that we earn something in a certain state, let's say a stress state, then you make some progress then that state somehow we get back into it and now we've recalled that lesson. That's maybe something we've grown past. We thought we were past it, but we didn't.
This happens to a lot of people who are like cramming up a lot of materials in a very short time right before the exam or something, the night before and being on a lot of caffeine, tired and worn out and so exhausted. Doing that, all of a sudden, the next day, as they are waking up in the morning with the freshness of after the sleep and everything, they're not in the same state. When they have the exam, somehow, it's not so easy to recall all that. It's only because of the state.
The fact that we are not given so much importance to this even in the school or anywhere, like the state-based learning, like the state in which you are learning things. That's what I'm focusing on when I'm in the congruence element, like connecting to that identity. It's about that value. All of those things become that. They enhance the state in which the learning is happening. It's the maximum optimal way to learn something, to be in a very resourceful state and learn.
It seems to me what you're underscoring there, Sanal, is that it's very beneficial to maintain or build the skill to adjust and control our state and make sure that we can get into state. I'm going through a coaching program myself right now. One of the emphases is the rituals that we use to make sure that we're vibrating at a high frequency, but it's that intensity, that enthusiasm, that conviction of worthiness, of value, of gratitude is huge. When we have that frequency of gratitude, a lot of good things happen. When we go the opposite way, a lot of bad things happen. When we can adjust ourselves along whatever that continuum might be, however we might define it, we gain a lot of our personal power.
Also, at the same time, realize that it's not so much of the either/or scenario where you either have gratitude or if you don't have it, it is bad. Gratitude plays a central role, but there are other things that also have some of their own values and richness to it. For example, for me, ownership is a big aspect. It's a big part of my map.
Owning my experiences, for example, any given moment, whatever response I am having within to own it fully, 100%. When I own it fully, so I'm fully 100% responsible for it. It becomes my responsibility. When it becomes my responsibility, naturally, I gain power over it because I can only have responsibility over something I do have a considerable amount of power over. If I'm totally powerless, then I have zero responsibility for something.
It's all about orienting the power and bringing that power within. We organize the stuff in our minds in such a way that the power can be outside. Now you need someone to grant that power upon you, bestow that power upon you. Otherwise, you cannot. For example, some people are like, “I want to be safe,” and they totally depend on that safety to come from the circumstance or from the outside world to conform and give that state to them. They can be asking the question in a very different way because the question itself takes the power away but we don't see that. Am I safe?
Where is the orientation of power outside? It depends on things outside. I'm like seeing, to make an assessment to see, compared to what's going on outside. Let's say I'm asking the question, “What is it that I can do to make me feel more safe?” That's about me being in my power to do something about making me feel safe. That has nothing to do with what's going on outside. What is it that I, in my power, can do in my agency? What is it that I can't do?
The question itself brings me to a place of personal power. That's what I do. I use a lot of questions in my work where the questions create a certain orientation within which allows also possibilities and opportunities to show up by that shifting attention that is brought upon by the questions that you explicitly ask yourself through internal dialogue.
There's a world of wisdom in what you laid out there, the idea of owning experience and taking responsibility. A couple of thoughts I have to share and bounce off you to see what you think. It seems to me like when we don't own our experience, when we externalize, whether we frame a question as to who's going to do this for me or why did this person do this or why did this force in the world act this way, however, we have been conditioned to label it, what we're there are two things that dangers there that we're dealing with?
One thing in the Eye of Power model is condemnation where we're making a judgment and we're not making a judgment, we're also pushing that thing away. We're disowning it. We're saying, “I don't want to deal with it. It might be a part of myself. It might be a part of something else. It might be judging a person, but I'm rejecting it. I'm casting it away.”
You reject the feeling also.
The other thing is our ability to take that responsibility you're pointing to is one of the sources of where we get our meaning and purpose from. Without that responsibility, how do we inform value? How do we put ourselves oriented in the world?
Taking Responsibility
The problem is, a lot of people mistake responsibility and blame for the same thing. For example, a teacher will be coming to the class and be asking, “Who's responsible for this mess?” It doesn't mean, “Who’s responsible for this?” The question is, “Who's to blame for this?” It's like when we are speaking about responsibility, we have to be clear on what that means. Taking responsibility is always something that you can do in the moment, in the present for what is happening right now. I cannot take responsibility. I don't have responsibility for what has already transpired because I don't have the ability to respond in the past. That's something I only have at this moment right here.
I only have that ability in this moment, so I'm very well aware. It's not about taking blame for what happened. It's about taking responsibility in the moment of what is going on. I'm going to explicitly ask myself the question, “What is it that is going on right now? What is it that I am creating right now? What is it that I am choosing to create right now?” All this question has a very different orientation that's going to bring you to a very powerful place because whatever you are being subjected to in that moment, you are going to make that the object of fear by the very act of asking that question.
You're going to go meta on yourself over the state that you find yourself in, and you are looking within to see how is the organization of reality here allows me to have this experience right now. You're making adjustments to the processes so that you are seeing what differences does that show. The difference of the difference makes the difference.
The other thing I'm taking from what you're saying, Sanal, is the quality of the questions. The framing of the questions, because we're spiritual beings in a material world, but that material world is limited. Our senses are limited, our processing power and our perceptions are limited. We're time-bound. It's a discernment process of where we're going to focus our energy and how we're going to focus our energy. It's an optimization process what I hear you talking about there by the examples you gave of the types of questions rather than questions that waste or diffuse our energy and our limited ability to react in a moment.
Also sometimes, not even go all linear. Sometimes, I would ask a non-linear question like, “What is it that is truly possible for me to create with this moment?” That allows me to dive into the moment rather than going through the moment. I'm not gliding through. I'm diving into the moment to see what's truly possible for me to create. That's like a deep dive within instead of like a straight linear walk. It takes me in to completely different direction if I ask that question in the moment.
The word you inspire there for me is that like a meta question. We step away from the situation, ask a little bit about the bigger picture and maybe get out of a pattern that we'd otherwise play out because of the habits or the preexisting framework.
Yeah, because usually, what happens is we would be so embedded in the experience that it'll be difficult to get out of the experience. Asking a question, like making a habit or learning to ask a question at the right moment can disassemble you from the experience that you're embedded in. That allows you to have that bird's eye vision and have that look of, “This is what I'm creating.” You become aware of your own participation in this process of this experience that you are experiencing in the moment and you become the ongoing participation of yours in the moment. Otherwise, you go, “Why am I feeling this way?” That's the worst question to ask. When you're feeling bad, you ask yourself, “Why am I feeling?” All of a sudden, now you recreate the experience. The thing is, usually, an emotion, neurologically speaking, can last anywhere between 10 to 30 seconds, but that's it. We never feel like the emotion is happening for 20 or 30 seconds because we recreate it before it is finished.
We're pressing the button. “Why me?”
Just asking a why question like that, that's something a lot of people do. When they're in a bad state, they ask themselves, “Why am I feeling this way?” That takes them deeper down the rabbit hole. It doesn't allow them to come out. Instead of asking why, you are asking a question like, “What is it that is going on right now? What is it that is happening right now?” When you're asking that question, you're not necessarily asking what it is that is happening outside, but you're asking, “What is that that is happening within right now? What do I believe to be true in this moment about myself, about the world?” That allows me to see why I am experiencing what I'm experiencing and make adjustments to it.
I can see how that adjustment is working based on the results I’m experiencing in the moment? It’s like a calibration or adjustment of sorts. Of course, if you are learning, it always helps to create a new bucket because what we do is we tend to have a lot of categories in our mind regarding stuff. Whenever we hear new stuff, what we do is we tend to put this new information that's coming to us in our existing different buckets of categories that we already have.
The thing is, the moment we do that, that's the best way to not change in life because once you start doing that, the moment you put it in a bucket that you already have, that's called generalization. The moment you generalize it, you also, in that very moment, have to do two other things. You have to delete and distort a lot of information that comes with it in order to put it in a bucket.
You're pounding that square peg into the round hole and shaving off the sides and saying, “It is what it is.”
You need to wither away, distort a lot of stuff and read a lot of information that's coming in to do that generalization bit.
I suppose we do that because it's easier and it takes work to create the new bucket. Would you say it's that?
No, we need to become aware. This is something that our mind does and we need to be conscious of it, and we need to put things in a new bucket if we want to learn something. Otherwise, we are going to delete and distort a lot of information we are hearing so that we can generalize and put it into one of our existing categories. It is a capacity that we need to develop. “I'm going to let it all in.” You can do that only if you have a new bucket for it. If you are allowing it to come in and it's not like you are not putting in a bucket that's already there. You're like, “This is just like that. This is just like this.” That's how we generalize.
That's how you’re like, “I know that.” Maybe that's one particular element out of the thing but then you have to delete all the other stuff so that the stuff that already matches according to the existing category, whatever is in that bucket. To fit in, you have to delete. That's what I said. We are not aware of this stuff. A lot of people tend not to change in life because they tend to put a lot of things that they're learning in existing buckets or categories in their minds.
It seems to now that you're pointing there to a certain openness and a certain humility that says, “I don't have all the buckets right now. My bucket is only this one little thing and I need to be welcoming and I have a relationship to wanting those new buckets.” When you say a new bucket, to me, that means I'm starting at more of a zero point. I'm saying, “I don't know. Let me fill this up with new stuff I'm learning from you,” or life or whatever it might be.
The more you think, the less there will be space inside the bucket.
It's funny, I had a meeting where the person in a financial situation, very black and white, very, “This is either right or wrong, things make sense, or they don't.” That duality makes it difficult in situations where somebody is not thinking that way. They're coming from a place of shades of gray, of they're acting out of a gut instinct. They can't necessarily make the logical case as to why they think something. Now that person might dismiss it saying, “It's not well thought out. It's not facts. It doesn't count.”
The thing is, most of the time, the problem that people come up with, somehow thinks the problem is linear. They somehow think the problem is logical and they're trying to appeal. We might also get into it thinking, “That's the problem. Need to have a solution tailored to that.” That's not the problem. Most of the time the problem is already in the very organization of how we create within. You have to look in the description of the problem that you have to see how is it that your organizational reality is that allows you to have that problem. People usually treat the problem as the problem, meaning, it's a fact that I have a problem, so I need to have a real solution because the problem is real.
Spiritual Logic: Most of the time, the problem is already in the very organization of how we create it within.
We infuse that with energy. The other thing that you inspired me to think about, Sanal, is it's past, present, and future orientation. If I'm focused on the past and saying, “I learned this, I know this, my experience already tells me this, I don't have to learn this lesson again. I already know,” or I'm comparing what should be to what has already been. I'm saying if it's already been, and this is this worked out, whether it's good, bad or indifferent, this is what it is. If I stay in that time orientation, I don't allow myself to open up in the way that you're pointing to.
The Rear-View Mirror
I can sum it up in a simple analogy. You are not going to go so far by keeping your eyes on the rear-view mirror and driving like that. You better hope that the road behind it's a straight road.
Nobody is crossing in front of you.
That's the point. If you are constantly keeping your eye on the rear-view mirror, it’s like keeping an eye on what happened in the past in that sense. If you're trying to steer forward in life looking at that, you're not going to reach much. It's like things don't work and you cannot cross the same road twice. Most of the time what we have is we have triggers and synesthesia associated to experiences. We see something and that reminds us of something inside. We find ourselves in that state and most of the time, we're not aware of the trigger or the synesthesia or none of this stuff. We end up in the effect part of it. The feelings part of it we are like, “Why am I feeling this way?” You're already going deeper.
What you're pointing to there is inspiring me to think in terms of, this is one of the challenges societies have where we don't want to be sentenced to have to relive every single hard lesson. We have to learn from our mistakes, and understand what we've found to be timelessly true in the past. We need that wisdom tradition to come forward. Yet we can't, like you said, be focused on the way things used to be the past, the constantly in the rear-view mirror because we aren't able to adapt to change, to grow, to go into new, undiscovered territory, to evolve in ways that we don't even know what it is. Don't we need to respect both pedals of that bike?
I would say you need to consciously be aware of your map and keep updating it, upgrading it and transforming it. Meaning the map that you find yourself in will be more enriched. It'll encompass everything that you already had in your previous map and more. You constantly keep updating your map and see, and you always know the result because the map always informs you. It gives you a choice. For me, power is about choice. Ultimately, power is about choice. If I have a lot of choice on the matter, then I would say I have a lot of power on the matter. If I had one choice in the matter, I wouldn't say I have a lot of power. I have some power, but not so much.
It's our choice. Most of the times, we feel as a victim in life when we find ourselves in life situations where we don't have choices. It is about us. The real question is how useful the map is when it comes to the choice-making or when it comes to the amount of choices that you're able to see when it comes to engaging with the situation. If all you have is one choice and that's it, then that's not a choice, is it?
Yes. Oftentimes we don't see the full range of choices that we actually have. We may be a single choice when there may be a dozen choices and we're ignoring the other one.
Oftentimes, you see something as a problem. Also, your attitude. Everything matters. Your attitude towards a problem. It's only a problem if you see it as a problem or you can see it as an opportunity, “What is it that I can make use of this situation that emerged? How can I utilize that to take me closer to my vision, fulfilling my vision?” You can see this as something that all that showed up and making use of it.
“Oftentimes, you just see something as a problem. Your attitude towards the problem matters. It’s only a problem if you see it as that.”
You might be looking for or you might be seeing different choices in engaging with that situation or with that problem. Otherwise, you might be thinking, “This is a problem. It's in my way. The only way is to get rid of the problem.” It is like you have a solution and you never want to have a solution. You want to have several solutions that informs you, “What's the best solution after these several solutions I have with it, different pathways I have around it?” It's not like all solutions feel the same result.
What you're pointing to there to me also underscores the importance of having thought partners, having people that we can count on to help us see that which we have blind spots and be able to co-create a vision going forward that we wouldn't be able to do left unaided.
Definitely, that's the key piece because we, humans, evolutionally speaking, have a tribal psychology, as tribes of people. If you're going back to a million years ago, we are speaking about people who are living in packs of 160 to 170, being the number of people in a tribe. We are speaking about a time that is before language. The way all these 160, 170 close-knit groups of people, how they are coexisting and co-creating and moving forward is very different with no language and things like that. Gestures and voice tonality and body language and different varieties of communication.
Deeds in terms of like what we do for each other. Grooming or performing a function that others value or whatever it might be.
Also, it's about you being useful to the tribe. Utility to the tribe was essential. You cannot be a dead weight and a liability for the tribe that you're holding the tribe back. You had to have certain qualities you need. That's why we have all this survival of the fittest and these things came because all of our ancestors, if you are here right now, that means you have an ancestor even way back a million years ago. Those ancestors were the of the fittest because otherwise, they would be out of the tribe. It's as simple as that.
It's why rejection feels so scary and so bad because that's the same as basically death.
Your DNA is not going to survive. You are not fit to survive so much. You need to have these certain qualities, like you need to have a lot of focus because there's no language and things, so you need to pay attention.
Another theme that emerges there is the fact that this psychology, this arrangement is not all that suited for the modern world dynamics that we find ourselves in. We need the kinds of things we're talking about here.
We need to bring that about because right now, we don't know. We don't think of ourselves in terms of a tribe or something. We think of ourselves as individuals and individuality being higher values, but there's no individuality. We think of ourselves as global citizens. The thing is we have to encompass such a big thing, and that's not what our psychology evolved to bring about. We evolved as a tribe. It's about building a tribe if you don't have one. That's what it is coming to. We had to build our own tribe, meaning these people, you should be able to see them eye to eye and know them on a certain level at least.
That's the people in the tribe. When you wake up, you know who you are standing up for, and what you are standing up for in life other than yourself. That's the tribe. When the going gets tough, you are like, “I'm doing it all for myself.” That's not going to drive you so much. That's the time when you're like, “I'm doing it for them.” You need to clearly have people's faces coming to you. You shouldn't be like, “I'm standing up for the globe.”
That's a big tribe.
Yeah, that's a huge, like, “Where do I fit in?”
It's funny, I think about that and the thing is, is that there is more that we all have in common than what separates us. There would be, I think, a path for that identification, but it might not be that workable based on the way that we behave in our day-to-day lives and the scope of how we experience this world in our current form.
The thing is good self-esteem and self-worth come out of this because back in the days in tribal psychology, you need to make yourself useful to the tribe. You need to show up for these people. You need to stand up for these people. That's what gives you that good self-worth, that good self-esteem that comes from it.
“Self-worth comes out of good self-esteem.”
That's very strong. Actually, that's why because what's the tribe's danger? Other tribes. That's the danger.
If you know these people, it's easy. You know what is required of you for you to stand up for them. If you don't even know who is in your tribe, then you don't know what you need to do. You're going to be comparing yourself to random people and be like, “I'm not such a success.” You probably don't need to be, because that's a different tribe. You have to focus on your tribe and what's important to them.
Is there any aspect of your model that we haven't shown the light on that you want to mention before we wrap up, Sanal?
There are a lot of aspects that we can always shed light on. I think it's nice. I'm happy with the pieces that we spoke about and there are a lot of things that we can always enrich. Enriching the map is an ongoing process and we can keep on enriching it if we don't get vetted to our map.
For somebody who wants to follow along this way and develop, what would you suggest they do? How would you suggest they reach out to you or an action item or two that you might give the person who wants to move forward along the ways that we're pointing to here?
Anyone who is reading, if they want to get to have a deep dive on, on this particular map I'm sharing with the Spiritualogic methodology, can go to the website, Masterclass.Spiritualogic.com and put in their email and they can watch our ten minutes of a masterclass that shows a little bit more of a fuller, coherent, picture of it in more depth.
Also, anyone want to work with this, because the whole point is when you're learning and you map, you have to spend some time with it. I usually work with people and it's like at least a two-month thing where you are very familiar and you are using that map, and you can come back with feedback and make all adjustments to the map that you're making.
My website is www.Spiritualogic.com. That's my coaching website and people can see a lot of case studies there and get familiar with my path on this and how I came about this methodology and my past with it. I was teaching in universities in India for several years with this particular Spiritualogic framework and all the stuff in the past.
Also, for the people who are reading this, I have a free gift for them. They can go to the website, PodcastGiftNow and put in their email and can watch I think 7 or 8 hours of my recorded video content from talks I’ve been giving here.
That's wonderful. I’ve enjoyed our conversation very much. I hope you did, too, Sanal. For those of you reading, I hope it was something that you found both enjoyable as well as maybe it's shone the light on something that you want to pay closer attention to, to move towards greater agency towards having more of your power. It's been my pleasure. Thank you so much, Sanal, for being on the show.
The pleasure is all mine. We were coherent with you having the Eye of Power model over there and all our personal power and agency and all these things.
We were able to get lined up here. Walk the walk a little. That's great. It’s very much my honor and pleasure to get to know you a little bit, Sanal. Thank you so much.
Yeah, same here.
I hope our paths cross again sometime.
Yeah, for sure. Definitely.
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Thank you so much, Sanal for being on the show. I enjoyed our conversation immensely. To underscore, I want to focus on a couple of things that you shared with us. The idea of congruence. We talk a lot about that in the Eye of Power, but you focused on three aspects, the outcome that you want, which is what we want, the identity, who we are and the values, why, and getting those in alignment and in agreement so we're not swimming against ourselves and so we're not a house divided. It’s very important. A lot of our development is very much based on getting that congruence making sure our energies are flowing in in the same direction.
You also pointed to state-based learning. I think that's super important. I'm learning more about controlling my state and being able to turn that knob if, if I feel down for whatever reason. It can be stupid reasons like somebody didn't show up at a meeting or canceled a meeting or was late or whatever. It doesn't even matter what the reasons are. It has you. All these things have nothing to do with us. For us to allow them to affect us in any way, shape or form is not the most sensible thing.
We do get in these states. The ability to recognize our responses in the state is super important. The idea of ownership, he mentioned owning our experience and the pathway to responsibility and making sure that we're not talking about the blame credit game. The pointing of the fingers or the look at me. It is more of how much of my awareness and energy and resources I can bring to the situation.
The question itself creates the orientation. For instance, he said, “What can I do to be safe?” Sometimes, the question itself is the way that we can maybe shift how we're approaching things. What's going on right now? That's a good one as it relates to widening our lens. He pointed at widening our lens and making sure that we're clear about not having our blinders on or going by our built-in habits, responses, and past patterns, but keeping things focused that way. We talked about updating the map as we go.
The one thing that is probably my biggest takeaway that Sanal shared was power is about choice. The more choices we have, the more power we have, and sometimes we edit out choices. We don't even see the choices we actually have. Other times, we've painted ourselves in a corner. We've had behaviors that we've maintained over a period of time that eliminated choices or took away open roads for us.
These are the things that to pay attention to, to increase our power is making sure that we have a healthy relationship with what choices we have. Building a tribe, if you don't have one, that sense of connected connectedness, is super important. All those things together, are fantastic food for our thoughts and fuel for our souls. Thank you, Sanal. I appreciate you.
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About Sanal Bhanu Rajan
Sanal is an international speaker and thought leader who has developed his own, entirely fresh approach on integrating spirituality into the modern times and transforming the mind, so that people around the world can experience true and everlasting peace.
Originally from India, he has studied different modalities of meditation and spirituality since he was a young boy, and leading up to early adulthood, he spent the last 12 years developing his own philosophy by piecing together the most powerful methods and ideas of personal and mind transformation.
Sanal's quest for knowledge extended to intensive training in personal development, mind mastery, hypnosis, Western & Eastern philosophies of spirituality, and communication methods. He has been mentored by some of today’s leading experts.
Sanal has transformed the lives of countless spiritual seekers and people of all walks of life, from around the world, as he has spoken both informally and formally in a wide spectrum of settings. He has spoken for yoga students at yoga teacher training’s, both in India and Thailand, where he was able to bring completely new insights and ways of thinking about spirituality.